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	<title>Comments on: Compassion as the driving force of Classical Chinese Medicine practice</title>
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		<title>By: קישורים- 21.6 &#124; סינית בלוג</title>
		<link>http://deepesthealth.com/2008/compassion-as-the-driving-force-of-classical-chinese-medicine-practice/comment-page-1/#comment-2828</link>
		<dc:creator>קישורים- 21.6 &#124; סינית בלוג</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] אודות החמלה: בעבר הזכרנו את הבלוג של אריק גריי- Deepest Health, בלוג מעניין ביותר מאת סטודנט מבית מדרשו של פרופ&#8217; היינר פרוהאוף. ברשומה זו הוא מתייחס להרצאה מאת Dr. Liu Lihong- מומלץ מאוד להגיע לבלוג ולקרוא גם רשומה זו וגם רשומות אחרות. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] אודות החמלה: בעבר הזכרנו את הבלוג של אריק גריי- Deepest Health, בלוג מעניין ביותר מאת סטודנט מבית מדרשו של פרופ&#8217; היינר פרוהאוף. ברשומה זו הוא מתייחס להרצאה מאת Dr. Liu Lihong- מומלץ מאוד להגיע לבלוג ולקרוא גם רשומה זו וגם רשומות אחרות. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Gemma</title>
		<link>http://deepesthealth.com/2008/compassion-as-the-driving-force-of-classical-chinese-medicine-practice/comment-page-1/#comment-1912</link>
		<dc:creator>Gemma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 22:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very inspiring article, many thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very inspiring article, many thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Abdallah B. Stickley</title>
		<link>http://deepesthealth.com/2008/compassion-as-the-driving-force-of-classical-chinese-medicine-practice/comment-page-1/#comment-1888</link>
		<dc:creator>Abdallah B. Stickley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 23:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well if I may add fuel to your fire: family ties are  utterly sacrosanct in Islam. Thank you for the reminder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well if I may add fuel to your fire: family ties are  utterly sacrosanct in Islam. Thank you for the reminder.</p>
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		<title>By: Sara</title>
		<link>http://deepesthealth.com/2008/compassion-as-the-driving-force-of-classical-chinese-medicine-practice/comment-page-1/#comment-1881</link>
		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 13:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow Abdullah, you summarized the Golden Rule concept beautifully, you&#039;ve just given me my summer project, not only with healing but in terms of family relationships.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow Abdullah, you summarized the Golden Rule concept beautifully, you&#8217;ve just given me my summer project, not only with healing but in terms of family relationships.</p>
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		<title>By: Abdallah B. Stickley</title>
		<link>http://deepesthealth.com/2008/compassion-as-the-driving-force-of-classical-chinese-medicine-practice/comment-page-1/#comment-1876</link>
		<dc:creator>Abdallah B. Stickley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is precisely what I find in Dr. Hammer&#039;s work as well.  This notion that here is so much we need not do, and the extent to which so much of the work is being done by the very &quot;messages&quot; themselves.  In fact, oddly enough, it is one intersection with the discipline of humanistic psychology that cannot be overstated: we are not all born equal, except with regard to the respect with which we deserve to be treated.  Taken into account as a physiological statement, this applies to Chinese medicine.  

Here&#039;s another version of our Golden Rule that I heard recently.  A sheikh was asked for a loan, so he borrowed money in order to give the loan.  Incredulously, his student asked why he would do such a thing, and he simply replied: &quot; I do not give in the way I want to give, I give in the way one asks to be given.&quot;

So I ask you then, vis a vis the Year of Sagely Living concept, what are the practices that you would pursue to embody these words of wisdom?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is precisely what I find in Dr. Hammer&#8217;s work as well.  This notion that here is so much we need not do, and the extent to which so much of the work is being done by the very &#8220;messages&#8221; themselves.  In fact, oddly enough, it is one intersection with the discipline of humanistic psychology that cannot be overstated: we are not all born equal, except with regard to the respect with which we deserve to be treated.  Taken into account as a physiological statement, this applies to Chinese medicine.  </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s another version of our Golden Rule that I heard recently.  A sheikh was asked for a loan, so he borrowed money in order to give the loan.  Incredulously, his student asked why he would do such a thing, and he simply replied: &#8221; I do not give in the way I want to give, I give in the way one asks to be given.&#8221;</p>
<p>So I ask you then, vis a vis the Year of Sagely Living concept, what are the practices that you would pursue to embody these words of wisdom?</p>
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		<title>By: Weekly Links- June 20 &#124; Chinese Medicine Notes</title>
		<link>http://deepesthealth.com/2008/compassion-as-the-driving-force-of-classical-chinese-medicine-practice/comment-page-1/#comment-1863</link>
		<dc:creator>Weekly Links- June 20 &#124; Chinese Medicine Notes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 20:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Compassion as the Driving Force of Classical Chinese Medicine Practice: another interesting post by Eric Grey from Deepest Health, who will soon become an intern. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://deepesthealth.com/2008/compassion-as-the-driving-force-of-classical-chinese-medicine-practice/comment-page-1/#comment-1842</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 05:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,

That&#039;s a great point and one not lost on me for sure.  I think ultimately we could look at it either way (what I want DONE to me is for someone to preserve my Yang, to take my physiology into account, to think about my long term interests, etc) but the original way of stating it does preserve those interpretations more cleanly.  

Anyway - great comment, welcome back, and don&#039;t ever leave for so long again.  :)

Eric</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a great point and one not lost on me for sure.  I think ultimately we could look at it either way (what I want DONE to me is for someone to preserve my Yang, to take my physiology into account, to think about my long term interests, etc) but the original way of stating it does preserve those interpretations more cleanly.  </p>
<p>Anyway &#8211; great comment, welcome back, and don&#8217;t ever leave for so long again.  :)</p>
<p>Eric</p>
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		<title>By: michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 05:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric,
I really appreciate that you introduced Dr. Liu&#039;s lectures with this one; it was such a moving lecture and I feel that you have introduced it well.  The comments thus far show how his teachings spark something quiet and peaceful in others&#039; hearts, and this was very much the case in his presence.  

One very significant aspect of the message from Kongzi for me is his use of negation.  In the west we say &quot;DO unto others as you would wish to have DONE to you&quot;, yet Kongzi very specifically said &quot;Don&#039;t Do....&quot;  I felt that Dr. Liu also was emphasizing this in his message of the Boddhisattva Way of medicine, for seemed most interested in not harming the body, not damaging Yang.  This is an important message to practitioners for it tells us that there is much we should not do, and that what we should do is very little and needs much care and consideration.  The first rule in naturopathy is to first, Do No Harm; this again is saying, &quot;The first thing we should do, is to not do.&quot;   In the west we are very quick to act, quicky to treat, quick to fix the problems we see; perhaps we could learn from the Boddhisattva and from the Daoists (through the practice of &quot;Not-making become&quot; or Wu Wei)and from Kongzi by focusing on what Not to do first, not to harm, not to do what we would not want, not to damage the body&#039;s yang, and from there moving towards what To do.  
Michael</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric,<br />
I really appreciate that you introduced Dr. Liu&#8217;s lectures with this one; it was such a moving lecture and I feel that you have introduced it well.  The comments thus far show how his teachings spark something quiet and peaceful in others&#8217; hearts, and this was very much the case in his presence.  </p>
<p>One very significant aspect of the message from Kongzi for me is his use of negation.  In the west we say &#8220;DO unto others as you would wish to have DONE to you&#8221;, yet Kongzi very specifically said &#8220;Don&#8217;t Do&#8230;.&#8221;  I felt that Dr. Liu also was emphasizing this in his message of the Boddhisattva Way of medicine, for seemed most interested in not harming the body, not damaging Yang.  This is an important message to practitioners for it tells us that there is much we should not do, and that what we should do is very little and needs much care and consideration.  The first rule in naturopathy is to first, Do No Harm; this again is saying, &#8220;The first thing we should do, is to not do.&#8221;   In the west we are very quick to act, quicky to treat, quick to fix the problems we see; perhaps we could learn from the Boddhisattva and from the Daoists (through the practice of &#8220;Not-making become&#8221; or Wu Wei)and from Kongzi by focusing on what Not to do first, not to harm, not to do what we would not want, not to damage the body&#8217;s yang, and from there moving towards what To do.<br />
Michael</p>
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