I’m glad so many people enjoyed the first episode of this podcast interview with Dr. Arnaud Versluys LAc, PhD. The second part finds Dr. Versluys expanding on his definition of Classical Chinese medicine by discussing how one uses the Shang Han Lun in contemporary clinical practice, particularly concerning complex diseases typically seen in modern times. He also discusses the importance of specializing in a particular style of Chinese medicine and gives some advice to those of us seeking knowledge in this profession. I think you’ll really enjoy the information AND the audio quality – I think I finally got it right. :) Check it out at the bottom of this article!
If you missed the first part of the interview with Dr. Versluys you can find it here. For more background on the six conformations read the article linked here. I also encourage you to check out Dr. Versluys’ website, particularly the forums – a great place for discussing Canonical Chinese Medicine.
Dr. Versluys uses a few names that may be unfamiliar to listeners – I want to clarify these things for you. Li Dong Yuan is the author of The Treatise on the Spleen and Stomach (Pi Wei Lun). Zhang Zhong Jing is (hopefully obviously) the author of the Shang Han Lun
and Jin Gui Yao Lue (originally united as the Shang Han Za Bing Lun). I think those are the only names he uses.
I’ll release the final part of the interview early next week – it’s a short piece focusing specifically on the issue of herb substitution and the possibility of growing Chinese herbs in the United States. I hope you enjoy today’s podcast! As always, feel free to leave any comments – discussion is a great thing! :)
Eric
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GREAT interview with wonderful depth
I’ll second that! This discussion of choosing a school and focusing is one that I suspect will continue to plague me. I could blame this scatteredness on circumstances of time and place, or I could say it is because of some fear about something. I think both would be true, but it will be much more meaningful for me to grapple with the latter explanation. Dr. Versluys also addressed how one goes about finding a teacher. Karma. That’s it? You mean there’s no yellowbook for tracking down my perfect guru? Way to crush my fantasies…
I’m looking forward to the release of the final part of the interview. I’m quite interested to learn more on the issue of substitution. I’ll watch out for it.
Really enjoyed both interviews. I share the clinical, as opposed to philosophical focus of Dr. Versluys. The interview will inform and direct my reading focus.
Me too. I must say it was very good organized and informative. Keep up the good work.
Great analogy (when attacked, fight first and closest attacker first).
I have a couple questions about regulation of the formulae you use (you indicating medical practitioners). Do you take into account the body weight of the patient when prescribing? Has research been done on use of the herbal formulae as used for children?
this was a great podcast! I really think chinese and holistic medicine deserve so much more attention
Dr. Versluys gave such wonderful interview with many informative and obvious helpful links in it.
thanks to Dr. Versluys and this site
Indeed, more research should be done and encourage on chinese medicine. Really need to bring the knowledge into scientific evidence to gain wider acceptance and benefits much more people.
AirJordans,
Chinese medicine pediatrics is a thriving field in China, and I’ve seen many children in the clinic. Surely there has been research done, at least in China, on the use of Chinese herbs in children.
As for body weight – kids do take slightly lower doses sometimes and I suppose if I had a very obese patient I might prescribe slightly higher, but in general I haven’t seen much dosing differences depending on body weight. I think this has to do with the fact that Chinese medical theory doesn’t assume that the majority of the clinical effects of Chinese herbs are chemical in nature. There is an alchemy and an energetic influence that carries the majority of the clinical effect – we are tweaking physiology in a subtle way and it doesn’t take tons of chemicals to cause this effect. Thus, dosing based on body weight holds less importance.
Eric
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