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		<title>By: Deepest Health Chinese Medicine Podcast : Interview with Dr. Arnaud Versluys LAc, PhD (Part 2 of 3) &#124; Deepest Health: Exploring Classical Chinese Medicine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deepest Health Chinese Medicine Podcast : Interview with Dr. Arnaud Versluys LAc, PhD (Part 2 of 3) &#124; Deepest Health: Exploring Classical Chinese Medicine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 19:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] first part of the interview with Dr. Versluys you can find it here.  For more background on the six conformations read the article linked here.    I also encourage you to check out Dr. Versluys&#8217; website, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] first part of the interview with Dr. Versluys you can find it here.  For more background on the six conformations read the article linked here.    I also encourage you to check out Dr. Versluys&#8217; website, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Goodman</title>
		<link>http://deepesthealth.com/2008/the-six-conformations-an-exploratory-post/comment-page-1/#comment-3027</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Goodman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 13:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like this post. You make an important point about the Liu Qi; I think the same point can be made (and you allude to it) about Yin-Yang, the five phases, the six levels, the 10 stems and 12 branches, and on and on. These are all meant to be representations. The map is not the territory...no matter how long we stand and look at a map, we aren&#039;t in the place. I think it is difficult for most of us to step out of the materialistic thinking we were raised with to see that there is more to all of this than the surface. We want the channels to all be in an exact spot, but they aren&#039;t. Chinese medicine offers a unique world view, and if we can step into that, suddenly the medicine starts to make sense...according to that view, not the one we were raised with and are surrounded by.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like this post. You make an important point about the Liu Qi; I think the same point can be made (and you allude to it) about Yin-Yang, the five phases, the six levels, the 10 stems and 12 branches, and on and on. These are all meant to be representations. The map is not the territory&#8230;no matter how long we stand and look at a map, we aren&#8217;t in the place. I think it is difficult for most of us to step out of the materialistic thinking we were raised with to see that there is more to all of this than the surface. We want the channels to all be in an exact spot, but they aren&#8217;t. Chinese medicine offers a unique world view, and if we can step into that, suddenly the medicine starts to make sense&#8230;according to that view, not the one we were raised with and are surrounded by.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://deepesthealth.com/2008/the-six-conformations-an-exploratory-post/comment-page-1/#comment-1711</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 23:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anonymous,

I&#039;m similarly glad.  I am not sure that I would say that the focus is SIGNIFICANTLY more focused on herbs.  We have several doctors who are scholars and specialize in acupuncture - Drs. Neal and Qin among them.  I would say that many of the powerhouses of our department have traditionally been more herbally focused than acupuncture focused, but that this balance is shifting.

In terms of student interest, however, I&#039;d say we&#039;re evenly balanced.  That might be why the balance is shifting.

Eric</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m similarly glad.  I am not sure that I would say that the focus is SIGNIFICANTLY more focused on herbs.  We have several doctors who are scholars and specialize in acupuncture &#8211; Drs. Neal and Qin among them.  I would say that many of the powerhouses of our department have traditionally been more herbally focused than acupuncture focused, but that this balance is shifting.</p>
<p>In terms of student interest, however, I&#8217;d say we&#8217;re evenly balanced.  That might be why the balance is shifting.</p>
<p>Eric</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://deepesthealth.com/2008/the-six-conformations-an-exploratory-post/comment-page-1/#comment-1710</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 22:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Taiyang is the functional aspect of Shaoyin. Just as Shaoyang is the functional aspect of Jueyin, and Yangming is the functional aspect of Taiyin. Yin creates Yang, and Yang stimulates Yin.

I&#039;m glad to see that your school is helping you to learn how to think about Chinese medicine.

I have been told by a recent graduate of your school&#039;s CCM program that your school&#039;s focus is significantly more on herbs than on acupuncture. Is that true?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Taiyang is the functional aspect of Shaoyin. Just as Shaoyang is the functional aspect of Jueyin, and Yangming is the functional aspect of Taiyin. Yin creates Yang, and Yang stimulates Yin.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad to see that your school is helping you to learn how to think about Chinese medicine.</p>
<p>I have been told by a recent graduate of your school&#8217;s CCM program that your school&#8217;s focus is significantly more on herbs than on acupuncture. Is that true?</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://deepesthealth.com/2008/the-six-conformations-an-exploratory-post/comment-page-1/#comment-1709</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 22:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey anonymous,

I think we are on similar pages.  Please do understand that this post was only a simple introduction and that there is much more to come.  Please don&#039;t assume that what I wrote is all that I have to offer.  :) To address your points:

1. I do not think Taiyang is associated only with cold, but I think for a different reason than you do.  The pairings show us the deeper way to understand the conformations.  Taiyang is paired with Shaoyin.  Shaoyin is said to be the Zhong Qi of Taiyang - simply, it helps to keep a balance within the body.  I am going to post in more detail about how, then, the disease manifests (as hot, as cold, etc...) but I wanted to simply explore the basics for now.

2.  Anyone who reads the Shang Han Lun can see that progression directly through the conformations one by one is not the only way for disease to progress.  I certainly did not intend to imply that.
BTW:  I often try to use simple English translations on my blog, introducing Chinese terms gradually, as I find average readers receive this a little better.  Thus, I didn&#039;t use Liu Qi. 

3.  Regarding the order of conformations.  We have talked extensively about this at school, especially about all the arguments about why there are two systems of understanding and how they developed. 

Thanks for your comment,

Eric</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey anonymous,</p>
<p>I think we are on similar pages.  Please do understand that this post was only a simple introduction and that there is much more to come.  Please don&#8217;t assume that what I wrote is all that I have to offer.  :) To address your points:</p>
<p>1. I do not think Taiyang is associated only with cold, but I think for a different reason than you do.  The pairings show us the deeper way to understand the conformations.  Taiyang is paired with Shaoyin.  Shaoyin is said to be the Zhong Qi of Taiyang &#8211; simply, it helps to keep a balance within the body.  I am going to post in more detail about how, then, the disease manifests (as hot, as cold, etc&#8230;) but I wanted to simply explore the basics for now.</p>
<p>2.  Anyone who reads the Shang Han Lun can see that progression directly through the conformations one by one is not the only way for disease to progress.  I certainly did not intend to imply that.<br />
BTW:  I often try to use simple English translations on my blog, introducing Chinese terms gradually, as I find average readers receive this a little better.  Thus, I didn&#8217;t use Liu Qi. </p>
<p>3.  Regarding the order of conformations.  We have talked extensively about this at school, especially about all the arguments about why there are two systems of understanding and how they developed. </p>
<p>Thanks for your comment,</p>
<p>Eric</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 22:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Eric,

I&#039;m a graduate of Jung Tao School of Classical Chinese Medicine.

I learned the Liu Qi (what you refer to as the &quot;Six Conformations&quot;) as follows:

Taiyang: Small Intestine (fire, heat, thermogenesis, etc.) and Bladder (water, cold, hydrogenesis, etc.)

Shaoyang:  Yang hinge (pivot); Sanjiao (fire, heat, metabolism, etc.) and Gall Bladder (wood, wind, fuel, etc.)

Yangming: Large Intestine (metal, dryness, etc.) and Stomach (earth, humidity, etc.)

Taiyin-Yangming Yolk (pivot)

Taiyin: Lung (metal, dryness, etc.) and Spleen (earth, humidity, etc.)

Jueyin: Yin hinge (pivot); Xinbaoluo (fire, heat, metabolism, etc.) and Liver (wood, wind, fuel, etc.)

Shaoyin: Heart (fire, heat, thermogenesis, etc.) and Kidney (water, cold, hydrogenesis, etc.)

Sorry, but, I don&#039;t have time to go into the intricate relationships.

In regards to &quot;climatic factors,&quot; Taiyang, for example, is associated with both heat and cold. Do you think that it is only associated with cold? If so, then that is erroneous thinking. Why? Because Taiyang is both Small Intestine/heat and Bladder/cold. In other words, both Small Intestine/heat and Bladder/cold represent the poles of Taiyang. Taiyang&#039;s endogenous cold and heat are auto-regulatory functions of the antithetical relationships of the five movements. I hope that this is clear.

To think that &quot;external pathogens must progress&quot; from Taiyang to Yangming, etc., is also erroneous thinking. It&#039;s not that simple. For example, cold could &quot;enter&quot; the Zu  Taiyang Jing and then progress to the Zu Shaoyang Jing and then &quot;jump&quot; via this jing&#039;s Luo point directly to the Zu Jueyin Jing. This is why knowing where the jings meet, and having an understanding of the &quot;pivots&quot; is so important for both diagnosis and treatment.

In regards to the &quot;order of the conformations,&quot; it depends on whether you&#039;re diagnosing and treating from a classical Chinese herbal or acupuncture perspective. Have you been taught about this at your school?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Eric,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a graduate of Jung Tao School of Classical Chinese Medicine.</p>
<p>I learned the Liu Qi (what you refer to as the &#8220;Six Conformations&#8221;) as follows:</p>
<p>Taiyang: Small Intestine (fire, heat, thermogenesis, etc.) and Bladder (water, cold, hydrogenesis, etc.)</p>
<p>Shaoyang:  Yang hinge (pivot); Sanjiao (fire, heat, metabolism, etc.) and Gall Bladder (wood, wind, fuel, etc.)</p>
<p>Yangming: Large Intestine (metal, dryness, etc.) and Stomach (earth, humidity, etc.)</p>
<p>Taiyin-Yangming Yolk (pivot)</p>
<p>Taiyin: Lung (metal, dryness, etc.) and Spleen (earth, humidity, etc.)</p>
<p>Jueyin: Yin hinge (pivot); Xinbaoluo (fire, heat, metabolism, etc.) and Liver (wood, wind, fuel, etc.)</p>
<p>Shaoyin: Heart (fire, heat, thermogenesis, etc.) and Kidney (water, cold, hydrogenesis, etc.)</p>
<p>Sorry, but, I don&#8217;t have time to go into the intricate relationships.</p>
<p>In regards to &#8220;climatic factors,&#8221; Taiyang, for example, is associated with both heat and cold. Do you think that it is only associated with cold? If so, then that is erroneous thinking. Why? Because Taiyang is both Small Intestine/heat and Bladder/cold. In other words, both Small Intestine/heat and Bladder/cold represent the poles of Taiyang. Taiyang&#8217;s endogenous cold and heat are auto-regulatory functions of the antithetical relationships of the five movements. I hope that this is clear.</p>
<p>To think that &#8220;external pathogens must progress&#8221; from Taiyang to Yangming, etc., is also erroneous thinking. It&#8217;s not that simple. For example, cold could &#8220;enter&#8221; the Zu  Taiyang Jing and then progress to the Zu Shaoyang Jing and then &#8220;jump&#8221; via this jing&#8217;s Luo point directly to the Zu Jueyin Jing. This is why knowing where the jings meet, and having an understanding of the &#8220;pivots&#8221; is so important for both diagnosis and treatment.</p>
<p>In regards to the &#8220;order of the conformations,&#8221; it depends on whether you&#8217;re diagnosing and treating from a classical Chinese herbal or acupuncture perspective. Have you been taught about this at your school?</p>
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		<title>By: Party pills</title>
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		<dc:creator>Party pills</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 06:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the nice post. All types of alternative medicine are so effective. I don&#039;t know why people prefer to be blind and prefer to use synthetic drugs for nearly every condition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the nice post. All types of alternative medicine are so effective. I don&#8217;t know why people prefer to be blind and prefer to use synthetic drugs for nearly every condition.</p>
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		<title>By: Abdallah B. Stickley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abdallah B. Stickley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 12:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh and please,please write a post about the word: &quot;pivot.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and please,please write a post about the word: &#8220;pivot.&#8221;</p>
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