Comments on: Why does Classical Chinese Medicine seem so complicated? A continuing conversation…

By: The acupuncture channels and Chinese herb flavors | Deepest Health: Exploring Classical Chinese Medicine

Mon, 08 Dec 2008 20:45:31 +0000

[...] is a guest post from my friend and colleague, Michael Givens. Please enjoy and look forward to more posts from him in the future. [...]

By: max

max — Wed, 13 Feb 2008 11:38:04 +0000

sorry my hand slipped
sent the message i wasnt done
a steel toliet a steel basin
i was denied all human contact
i was in liver failure, renal failure, heart failure, brain failure, metabolic acidosis, azotemia, semi comatosed, etc, etc, i was refused medical care and told everybody wanted me dead from the white house cia to my own family, and they were going to let me die oh ye they were starving me too, i was like this for months and months it happened in america
i stood my ground on principle, others signed legal documents in my name which was used against me, when i complained i was threathened with more grievous harm, currently im severely permnently crippled from what they did to me, they did this to me because i wouldnt kill somebody, that somebody was in afghanistan and it was 1999, i am a healer, my profession is to make others healthy, not kill someone because nobody else in the western world can kill him because he is a bad person so they say, everybody comes into this world “taba rosa” with a blank mind, others they interact with create what they become, one mans terrorist is another mans freeedom fighter, a doctor can open a door no soldier can, if the door opens your job is to heal, including healing spirits who make a man harm others, in the history of the world some of the greatest peacemakers were at one time very evil people, the long and short of this if you choose to heal, you can not make judgements, you dont know your patients history, the medicine buddha will tell you that healing involves the emotions more then the body, knowing all this, and it is a SLIPPERY SLOPE from good to bad, maybe stealing your fathers books might be wrong, i wont say it is wrong because i dont have all the facts, something to consider, if you really desire to learn tcm at the right time a knock on a door will occur, all you gotta do is open it, now if your bound and determimned that eventually you will become a healer then im probably breaking the sites protocol so be it but you need help here is my direct email grtsxlvn@yahoo.com mail me we talk, some people think i know a little medicine or so they say, my main medical interest is biological weapons, biological level safety 4 or worse genetic enginereered unknowns , microbes like blackpox, transgenetic microbes, etc, and phytochemicals, before you learn a codon has adenine and thiamine, you need to make sure you will always heal and not destroy with what you know, when your sure and it begins in little ways, then you can learn why mullein is important in the bird flu possibly, its up to you what you choose,,,, madmax the gasman

By: max

max — Wed, 13 Feb 2008 11:02:13 +0000

steven
a good doctor doesnt steal his fathers tcm books
i do not want to seem like a nattering nabob of nothingness like a former impeached vice president of the usa
but
their are ways other then ?????? to get tcm books
i know nothing not even your age
maybe i could help you
do you know why your father wont let you read his tcm books
im sure their is a reason
maybe you should find it out
if it comes to the irresistable force meeting the immoveable object
then my humble opinion for whats its worth
if you are absolutely refused permission to even read in your free time tcm books
then you should wait
i waited for a long time in a room that was 5 ft by 9 ft or 1 1/2 meter by 3 meter
i had a concrete bunk, a concrete stool,

By: Steven

Steven — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 05:59:13 +0000

“to be a DOCTOR
my belief is you need to know whats where
and
use it
for medicine is living and breathing as a science
that one medicine exchanges with other medicines,
, tcm or chinese medicine with the longest history
deserves the greatest study
doctors need to understand the patient, their environment, their culture, etc
because healing is from the inside
and
the greatest single thing tcm can teach is never ever forget
the patient is part of the world”

I read this part and I have to say I agree with you completely. I’m just getting into TCM as an extra hobby and one of my goals is “to know what’s where and use it” My dad is tcm but he wouldn’t teach me anything, so I stole some of his tcm books and started my study. They were all chinese but it’s no problem for me since I grew up in Taiwan. Anyways, I just want to say that there is a lot of stuff in tcm and at this point I’m so motivated I probably will forgo some other pursuits.

Max, please don’t shut up. I really liked some of the stuff you said; it’s like motivation talk to me. :)

-steven

By: max

max — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 04:23:55 +0000

regarding microbes, a unintended consequence example of modern medicine interacting with traditional medicine is the bird flu, tamiflu is one of the few allopathic md doctors drugs that treat the bird flu, however the raw material to make tamiflu is star anise a traditional herb in china that is used to fight the flu, one year star anise was 40 dollars a kilo the next year it was 800 dollar a kilo because the pharmaceutical companies were buying all available star anise remembering at the same time the pharmaceutical companies were fighting herb quackery, so on one hand the pharmaceutical companies wanted to wipe out herbs (star anise) while the next year removing all of it from the traditional markets to make a allopathic md medicine,
a example of criminal corruption of modern medicine, all of which is related to bio piracy,
its about money
money corrupts
much money corrupts largely
regarding the bird flu tcm has a large component to contribute towards prevention and survival,,,
using antiinflammatories reduces the pulmonary storm of the bird flu, any reduction of the inflammation parameters increases bird flu survival, however many herbs that are suggested to cure the bird flu do so by stimulating the immune system because some immune stimulation works by stimulating inflammatory pathways
a big no no in the bird flu
other herbs prevent viral attachment, block viral replication, etc
unfortunately 3 years work was destroyed by the police in one of their many interactions with me,
im not liked by the us government or police
im told im a potential terrorist
my answer is the same is been since the school yard bully picked on me
you kick a dog its gonna bite you
unfortunately police in the usa and world wide are authoritian semiliterates who cant function without rules they cant and wont think independently it violates the basic tenats of being a policeman you cant think
the police are about rules
they may be crazy and absurd but their the rules
and
theyll be obeyed
but
im getting into history etc
actually good doctors study history
their are pearls of wisdom to be yet discovered in older manuscripts
regarding inflammation
if memory serves me and i might be wrong
TNF alpha is the major inflammatory pathway
secondarily cox and lox
interleukin i cant remeber which one does some damage too
euclyptus has been shown to help in asthma and bronchitis
and is a respiratory sedative
i cant remember everything
type eucyltptus into a pubmed search
unfortunately nothing i found has ever been done even in a petri dish to test eucltypus effectiveness on viruses
some older reaserch in poland indicates the mullein will kill type A influenza
elderberries which are pushed as a solution stimulate the immune system
god im babbling i shut up

By: Evan

Evan — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 03:10:43 +0000

Wow Max,

What a comment. I agree with you about alternative practitioners copying the evil practices of doctor’s societies wholeheartedly. This is the case in Australia anyway. When I was studying at a TCM college I tried to raise this as an issue but people didn’t even see what I was talking about: I think it went into the “that’s just Evan being weird” category.

I truly hope that we can wise up to not breeding stronger microbes through antibiotics. I hope too for a change to seeing that our sense of purpose and relationships lie at the core of healing.

I did know that Mao and co threatened death to the traditional doctors and their families if they didn’t give up their secrets. I didn’t know the older history. In the colleges (at least in Australia) TCM is presented as a people’s medicine so it is very good to know more of the history.

Thankyou for the history and your passionate concern.

By: max

max — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 02:49:12 +0000

unfortunately here in the usa traditional medicine has the big mindset “we” will protect “you” by licensing, by restricting access to care, by restricting access to herbs,
the biggest “we” regarding medicine in this mindset is the american medical association a group of homicidal sociopaths backed by the nazis of government, the irrefutable proof is by their own admission the ama doctor’s kill 100,000-200,000 amercians every year thru their mistakes of some kind, and maim and cripple another
200,000-300,000, by the ama own admission,
if the ama`was about medical care the ama would be dilgently working to prevent these deaths and disabilities
however
the ama isnt lobbying to prevent these deaths and disabilities brought on by ama doctors
the ama is lobbying to restrict lawsuits against doctors for financial damages for destroying these people
whats worse is the
naturalpaths, acupuncturists and a few others are lobbying for their right to control and dispense herbs, the end goal is to have a naturalpathic ama
unfortunately ending up with all the ama’s attendant evils
i forsee the day in the us and west in general when
as in tibet when the communists tyrants took over a eventual cleansing of unlicensed practioners, proscribers, herb growers, etc,
unfortunately
TCM in the truest sense was more of a
nobility medicine with very little reaching the average villager 1,000 years ago, villagers were left with shamans etc
reaching further back the gu’s provided medical help to the villagers
while the emperor provided patronage to tcm practioners
tcm altho idolized in the west has a dark side in that most villagers were left on their own for medical help
studying medicine and medical history thruout the world and thru the ages teaches several things
first last and always medicine is about politics
second always remember the first rule
another dark side of CCM because
TCM being a relatively new phenomnena introduced by mao and his barefoot doctors
was doctors were from doctors families and most families closely held their knowledge of healing so as to be the exclusive wise healers who had to be kept in the patronage of the court
a ama of sorts
the world is hurtling at amazing speed
towards a collision with microbes either man made or natural,
when it occurs their will be a large weeding out
at which point those with classical knowledge
by studying all the available texts of all the medical traditions will be the new practioners
i do not hold out hope that these survivor practioners will be any different then the current ama doctors
however the chinese word for crisis also means opportunity
let us hope at least for a few generations after the microbe revolt
that medicine will have a golden age
allowing it to heal the sick
and
truely
let medicine be your food
food be your medicine
and
do not see the forest
but
forget the trees
each patient has entrusted you to their care
use your wisdom wisely
generously

By: Evan

Evan — Mon, 11 Feb 2008 22:23:23 +0000

Hi Max,

Thankyou for your extraordinary post.

Unfortunately at the moment (in Australia where I am anyway) TCM (little CCM here) is being dominated by the small-business mindset and people are very much moving to the six-minute-medicine approach.

There are of course many excellent exceptions.

I want to know so much more of your story, if you’d like to post more.

Heartfelt thanks.
Evan