Comments on: The concept of constitution in Chinese herbal medicine http://deepesthealth.com/2009/the-concept-of-constitution-in-chinese-herbal-medicine/ Learning Chinese Medicine and letting it inform all aspects of life Sat, 13 Mar 2010 20:58:37 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 By: Cosinensis http://deepesthealth.com/2009/the-concept-of-constitution-in-chinese-herbal-medicine/comment-page-1/#comment-5231 Cosinensis Tue, 22 Dec 2009 14:31:30 +0000 http://deepesthealth.com/2009/the-concept-of-constitution-in-chinese-herbal-medicine/#comment-5231 Some classification is surely necessary, although terms like "Chaihu person" are ridiculous indeed. Some classification is surely necessary, although terms like “Chaihu person” are ridiculous indeed.

]]> By: Dragon Blogger http://deepesthealth.com/2009/the-concept-of-constitution-in-chinese-herbal-medicine/comment-page-1/#comment-5224 Dragon Blogger Sun, 20 Dec 2009 20:49:16 +0000 http://deepesthealth.com/2009/the-concept-of-constitution-in-chinese-herbal-medicine/#comment-5224 Though I don't practice CM, I do read reviews of products and sometimes try unique methods to treat ailments I suffer from on occasion, this was the first time I found this blog and you have incredibly detailed and useful information. Though I don’t practice CM, I do read reviews of products and sometimes try unique methods to treat ailments I suffer from on occasion, this was the first time I found this blog and you have incredibly detailed and useful information.

]]> By: G. Michael Reynolds http://deepesthealth.com/2009/the-concept-of-constitution-in-chinese-herbal-medicine/comment-page-1/#comment-5122 G. Michael Reynolds Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:59:37 +0000 http://deepesthealth.com/2009/the-concept-of-constitution-in-chinese-herbal-medicine/#comment-5122 One of my students appeared the other day at a tea session with Huang Huang's work. Wow, this families thing is really spreading if it's made it al the way out here! One of my students appeared the other day at a tea session with Huang Huang’s work. Wow, this families thing is really spreading if it’s made it al the way out here!

]]> By: Michael Max http://deepesthealth.com/2009/the-concept-of-constitution-in-chinese-herbal-medicine/comment-page-1/#comment-5118 Michael Max Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:03:47 +0000 http://deepesthealth.com/2009/the-concept-of-constitution-in-chinese-herbal-medicine/#comment-5118 Z'ev I just posted something on www.classicformulas.com about the book. Actually, it will be part of a series as the more I dig into this book, the more I am finding some really interesting stuff. It talks about BOTH channel level and formula presentation. Plus it is full of case studies that in essence use a bit of both approaches to diagnose. Michael Z’ev

I just posted something on http://www.classicformulas.com about the book. Actually, it will be part of a series as the more I dig into this book, the more I am finding some really interesting stuff. It talks about BOTH channel level and formula presentation. Plus it is full of case studies that in essence use a bit of both approaches to diagnose.
Michael

]]> By: Z'ev Rosenberg http://deepesthealth.com/2009/the-concept-of-constitution-in-chinese-herbal-medicine/comment-page-1/#comment-5117 Z'ev Rosenberg Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:13:41 +0000 http://deepesthealth.com/2009/the-concept-of-constitution-in-chinese-herbal-medicine/#comment-5117 There is also a section at the beginning of the Jia Yi Jing on constitution, it may well be derived from Ling Shu 64, I'll check. However, the constitutional archetypes of Ling Shu/Jia Yi Jing are different from those that Huang Huang postulates from the Shang Han Lun, and seemingly from Kampo influences. There is also a section at the beginning of the Jia Yi Jing on constitution, it may well be derived from Ling Shu 64, I’ll check. However, the constitutional archetypes of Ling Shu/Jia Yi Jing are different from those that Huang Huang postulates from the Shang Han Lun, and seemingly from Kampo influences.

]]> By: brandon brown http://deepesthealth.com/2009/the-concept-of-constitution-in-chinese-herbal-medicine/comment-page-1/#comment-5112 brandon brown Thu, 19 Nov 2009 04:37:29 +0000 http://deepesthealth.com/2009/the-concept-of-constitution-in-chinese-herbal-medicine/#comment-5112 Hi all, I'm glad to see a post about this eric. I'm actually writing my thesis on the topic (specifically the 4 fires), so i'll share much more when I'm done. But an interesting starting point is Ling Shu 64, where the 25 types of people are introduced. Hi all,

I’m glad to see a post about this eric. I’m actually writing my thesis on the topic (specifically the 4 fires), so i’ll share much more when I’m done. But an interesting starting point is Ling Shu 64, where the 25 types of people are introduced.

]]> By: Z'ev Rosenberg http://deepesthealth.com/2009/the-concept-of-constitution-in-chinese-herbal-medicine/comment-page-1/#comment-5101 Z'ev Rosenberg Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:55:15 +0000 http://deepesthealth.com/2009/the-concept-of-constitution-in-chinese-herbal-medicine/#comment-5101 Michael, Can you give us a short survey of the SHL text you uncovered plus title, etc.? Sounds fascinating. It is very interesting that not only Huang Huang, but historical figures like Todo Yoshimasu in Japan, had a very practical, hands-on view of the SHL, but others were more theoretical in their approach. It appears to be a text flexible enough to allow different approaches to the material. What someone from the China trip with Huang Huang told me was that he felt that a very practical approach to the SHL was necessary. However, I don't think he understood that Westerners don't 'grok' six channel theory, it is not innate to us as it may be to him or other Chinese practitioners. Or perhaps he has just absorbed and assimilated six channel theory to the point where it is part of his core 'software' approach. I personally like using the theory to ground my diagnosis as to location, depth, progression and direction of disease patterns, rather than just a 'here-now' approach. In my understanding, such rubrics as six channel allow us to see the progression of disorders, and see more complex conditions as combination diseases. Michael,
Can you give us a short survey of the SHL text you uncovered plus title, etc.? Sounds fascinating.
It is very interesting that not only Huang Huang, but historical figures like Todo Yoshimasu in Japan, had a very practical, hands-on view of the SHL, but others were more theoretical in their approach. It appears to be a text flexible enough to allow different approaches to the material. What someone from the China trip with Huang Huang told me was that he felt that a very practical approach to the SHL was necessary. However, I don’t think he understood that Westerners don’t ‘grok’ six channel theory, it is not innate to us as it may be to him or other Chinese practitioners. Or perhaps he has just absorbed and assimilated six channel theory to the point where it is part of his core ’software’ approach. I personally like using the theory to ground my diagnosis as to location, depth, progression and direction of disease patterns, rather than just a ‘here-now’ approach. In my understanding, such rubrics as six channel allow us to see the progression of disorders, and see more complex conditions as combination diseases.

]]> By: Michael Max http://deepesthealth.com/2009/the-concept-of-constitution-in-chinese-herbal-medicine/comment-page-1/#comment-5099 Michael Max Tue, 17 Nov 2009 12:34:40 +0000 http://deepesthealth.com/2009/the-concept-of-constitution-in-chinese-herbal-medicine/#comment-5099 Sometimes I think Huang's work is like a Macintosh computer; elegant, powerful, and easy to use. Because, in some ways what he teaches lacks a peek at the underlying mechanics of what is going on. I think it is there, in that he has thought about it and used it to form his clinical methods. But, if you really want to get deeper into how it relates with various levels, other resources will need to be accessed. Huang himself has studied long and hard, and his clinical methods are based on a number of sources, including some from Japan. Like him, to really go deeply into our work we will need to study and pull from different streams of thought. I recently found some books here in China on "jing fang," one in particular that goes through the Shang Han Lun line by line and "decodes" it as which level of illness it is describing. I'm not sure we have anything quite like this in English. But, if we do, it would be a good place to dig in. Maybe Z'ev has some recommendations. Sometimes I think Huang’s work is like a Macintosh computer; elegant, powerful, and easy to use. Because, in some ways what he teaches lacks a peek at the underlying mechanics of what is going on. I think it is there, in that he has thought about it and used it to form his clinical methods. But, if you really want to get deeper into how it relates with various levels, other resources will need to be accessed.

Huang himself has studied long and hard, and his clinical methods are based on a number of sources, including some from Japan. Like him, to really go deeply into our work we will need to study and pull from different streams of thought.

I recently found some books here in China on “jing fang,” one in particular that goes through the Shang Han Lun line by line and “decodes” it as which level of illness it is describing. I’m not sure we have anything quite like this in English. But, if we do, it would be a good place to dig in. Maybe Z’ev has some recommendations.

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